YouTube Question Help! Very confused here, how does this work?

[wwsu4453169]

I found this channel "Moonbug Literacy" https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtbYiZyG_hgzv15UM0UcQyg that basically takes well known kids show videos like Cocomelon and Merphle TV and slaps their own lables on top of the video, but the content of the video is exactly the same as the original. For example this one

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZBXPRYGTM8
has been put up one year and have 300M views. The original from cocomelon is

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_04ZrNroTo
.

My question is : How does youtube allows this? In the description they didn't even reference the original video. If I understand correctly youtube only allows same video only if you add critiques or reviews on top of it so it becomes transformative and add additional value. I don't see how the moonbug video qualifies as transformative and it's been up almost a year with 300M views?

There are others I found that have similiar content, https://www.youtube.com/c/LarvaRewind this one is just a repost with exact same content. Some video has been posted almost a year ago.

Am I missing something here? I am very confused. I though youtube's algorithm is supposed to detect duplicate stuff like this.

 

[Stanley | Team TB]

For starters, referencing a video makes zero difference. It doesn't matter if you reference or give credit; this is not only against YouTube TOS it is illegal. There are ways that creators can get away with it though, and when you see something like this it is best to report it, although it is likely that the original creator has already received a content ID match and simply has yet to respond to it. They can do so at their discretion.

 

[wwsu4453169]

For starters, referencing a video makes zero difference. It doesn't matter if you reference or give credit; this is not only against YouTube TOS it is illegal. There are ways that creators can get away with it though, and when you see something like this it is best to report it, although it is likely that the original creator has already received a content ID match and simply has yet to respond to it. They can do so at their discretion.

Thanks! That does clear things up a bit for me. So is it right to assume the reason that it has been up there for so long with so many views, is that the original content owner choose not to do anything about it? I have read somewhere that Google can also just direct all the monetization to the orginal owner, but not sure if that's the case here.

 

[spookyboo]

There is a channel that does this by changing the voices of creators in my niche and doesn't even give them credit or any of the original story writers credit. It's really sad.

 

[Stanley | Team TB]

Thanks! That does clear things up a bit for me. So is it right to assume the reason that it has been up there for so long with so many views, is that the original content owner choose not to do anything about it? I have read somewhere that Google can also just direct all the monetization to the orginal owner, but not sure if that's the case here.

It is possible that the owner claimed this video and that they are receiving all of the revenue for it. Maybe they didn't do anything about it. I can't say for sure, but I can say that YouTube's content ID system is completely unparalleled (for fun look up Google Brain, that's what they use).

 

[Stanley | Team TB]

There is a channel that does this by changing the voices of creators in my niche and doesn't even give them credit or any of the original story writers credit. It's really sad.

Sadly there are tricks that creators can use to circumvent the content ID system. But honestly, the more views/money a creator makes stealing content the more likely they are to get discovered regardless. And the owner can strike/claim them whenever they want.

 

[spookyboo]

It is possible that the owner claimed this video and that they are receiving all of the revenue for it. Maybe they didn't do anything about it. I can't say for sure, but I can say that YouTube's content ID system is completely unparalleled (for fun look up Google Brain, that's what they use).

True. My son has a punk band and when I put some of his music in my videos he ends up getting paid which I don't mind one bit.

 

[Stanley | Team TB]

True. My son has a punk band and when I put some of his music in my videos he ends up getting paid which I don't mind one bit.

Awesome!!! That's a cool approach! Also I have to give kudos for your musical taste... I'm a punk fan myself and am secretly recording an album that I am not telling anyone about until I finish it.

 

[wwsu4453169]

It is possible that the owner claimed this video and that they are receiving all of the revenue for it. Maybe they didn't do anything about it. I can't say for sure, but I can say that YouTube's content ID system is completely unparalleled (for fun look up Google Brain, that's what they use).

One thing I still don't quite understand is, what's the incentive for keep uploading to the channel if it is just going to be claimed? This channel has daily uploads every day for a year now. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtbYiZyG_hgzv15UM0UcQyg. If all their upload gets claimed, why keep doing it? I can understand their motive if they are stealling traffic from the main video and putting affiliate links on their videos, but it looks like they don't even have any affiliate links at all.

 

[MattCommand1]

My question is : How does youtube allows this? In the description they didn't even reference the original video. If I understand correctly youtube only allows same video only if you add critiques or reviews on top of it so it becomes transformative and add additional value. I don't see how the moonbug video qualifies as transformative and it's been up almost a year with 300M views?

Am I missing something here? I am very confused. I thought youtube's algorithm is supposed to detect duplicate stuff like this.

They are not identical. One is 2 seconds longer than the other.

I discovered this a few years ago when I was playing around and I was stopped from uploading a video because I inadvertently uploaded a duplicate video from another one of my channels. Because I am curious by nature, I decided to change it very slightly and re-uploaded it again and it seemed to work.

I haven't tested it myself lately but I think it could be easy to test out. Just upload one of your own videos and remove 2 seconds from a 2nd version and try that out and see what happens.

 

[MattCommand1]

For starters, referencing a video makes zero difference. It doesn't matter if you reference or give credit; this is not only against YouTube TOS it is illegal.

As a clarification due to my background on the subject matter, it isn't "illegal" in the sense you will get prosecuted by the police or any governmental agency for infringements.

For example, many of us commit "illegal" acts almost every day when we drive. We go 1 mph over the speed limit, it is technically "illegal" but almost never enforced.

Having said all that, I am not condoning this clear flagrant, egregious lifting of the original content. That is pretty blatant and very offensive.

 

[BraveStar]

I was actually shocked one time to stumble upon porn on YouTube years ago. I was watching videos based on YouTube recommendations and somehow it lead to videos that were in no way related to the content I started watching and somehow this led to porn videos hidden on YouTube with weird titles and ways to hide the content from the AI and not exactly easy to find just by searching. Not gonna explain how cause I don't want to give anyone any idea how to potentially circumvent the AI.

So yea, people can find clever ways to steal content as well.

 

[spookyboo]

One thing I still don't quite understand is, what's the incentive for keep uploading to the channel if it is just going to be claimed? This channel has daily uploads every day for a year now. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtbYiZyG_hgzv15UM0UcQyg. If all their upload gets claimed, why keep doing it? I can understand their motive if they are stealling traffic from the main video and putting affiliate links on their videos, but it looks like they don't even have any affiliate links at all.

Maybe growing an audience or they are using YouTube as a place to store their videos and are showing them on their own website as a portal?

 

[spookyboo]

After looking at both of the channels and their websites I think it is the same company.

 

[wwsu4453169]

After looking at both of the channels and their websites I think it is the same company.

Yes I think you are right on! It looks like they own both channels and looks like the parent company just buys other channels too so they own the rights to them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonbug_Entertainment